Pelvic Floor Health for Athletes and Movers with Jessie Mundell, BPHE, MHK, P.Kin

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In this podcast, Siobhan Milner chats to Jessie Mundell all about the pelvic floor. Jessie and Siobhan talk about what the pelvic floor actually IS, and what characterises a “functional” or “dysfunctional” pelvic floor. Jessie Mundell also provides tips around modifying training (including progressing training) for athletes and movers experience pelvic floor symptoms such as leakage. But most of all, Jessie and Siobhan emphasise that the pelvic floor CAN be trained – your body is amazing, andit can adapt!

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About Jessie Mundell:

Jessie Mundell is the Head Coach at JessieMundell.com and an exercise specialist in pregnancy and postpartum fitness, birth recovery, strength training, and helping people overcome pelvic floor issues, including stress incontinence.

“TMI” isn’t in Jessie’s vocabulary—it went out the window along with the “perfect birth” and “perfect parent” rule book eight years ago when her eldest was born.

With a Bachelor’s degree in Health & Physical Education and a Master’s degree in Kinesiology, Jessie has devoted her career to studying and coaching prenatal and postnatal exercise. She is a trusted support system for those seeking strength, healing, and a positive body mindset, giving pregnant and postpartum individuals the tools to redefine their relationship with their body and their self-worth.

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Siobhan Milner: [00:00:00] Welcome Jessie. How are you doing?

Jessie Mundell: Good, thanks so much for having me. 

Siobhan Milner: I’m excited to have you here.

We’re going to be talking about the pelvic floor today. So actually the first thing I want to ask is what is the pelvic floor? 

Jessie Mundell: Yes, such a great question. And something that most people honestly don’t know, even folks who have had pregnancies, births, who have had children so It’s just we hear about the pelvic floor, we don’t really conceptualize what that is.

So essentially, it is the bottom of our pelvis. There’s no bony bits at the very bottom of our pelvis. And so the pelvic floor is this network of muscles and connective tissues that are supporting the base of the pelvis. So connecting side to side, front to back, and then into the actual pelvis. Hip joints, the leg bones as well.

So pelvic floor is soft tissues, muscles, connective tissues that are important [00:01:00] for stability, mobility, sexual function, bladder, bowels, and just a really key piece of the body that maybe we haven’t paid much attention to until something has kind of gone astray with it. 

Yeah, and I think that’s really interesting because when people just hear the pelvic floor, I think they often think of it like, kind of like, the triceps.

It’s one thing there by itself, but like you’re saying, the pelvic floor is actually made up of quite a lot. 

Yes, yes, there are multiple muscle groups and multiple layers of muscle, so more superficial and then more deep. So yeah, it’s quite a network of things, but it’s also pretty simple in how it functions, very similar to how other muscle groups of the body function.

We don’t need to get too complicated with it for most people. There are very simple things that we can do to help improve the function, strength and performance of it. [00:02:00] 

Siobhan Milner: So then when we’re talking about its function, what is its function? What does it do? And if it was dysfunctional, what would that look like?

Jessie Mundell: Yeah. So the pelvic floor, essentially, we want it to help stabilize. The pelvis itself and also the spine and the hip joints and also it’s going to play a huge role in stabilizing the pelvic organs. So in many folks when we’re talking about pregnant birthing postpartum people, the pelvic organs we are talking about are the bladder, the uterus, and the rectum and those pelvic floor structures play such a key part in In how those organs are functioning and supported again, because there’s no bones on the underside of the pelvis, the pelvic floor, the muscles and connected tissues are really, really impactful and how those public organs are functioning.

Functioning so how the bladder is [00:03:00] able to hold urine and empty urine, how the uterus is able to stay in the position. We want it to be in within the lower abdomen and the pelvis and for the rectum, for example, how it is able to. hold the bowels and to evacuate the bowels. So those are key parts of the pelvic floor.

And then of course they’re so implicated in sexual function as well. But again, it just plays a huge role in how the abdomen, how the hips, how the spine, how the back, everything in that area is feeling and functioning in the body too. 

Siobhan Milner: You’ve mentioned it a few times already, the postpartum population.

 I think a lot of people when they hear pelvic floor or they think about pelvic floor issues, they’re thinking of females in particular. So what about males? Do they have a pelvic floor too? Why would they or wouldn’t they have problems with their pelvic floor in comparison? 

Jessie Mundell: Yeah, such [00:04:00] a great question.

Yes, everyone has a pelvic floor and I think this is so key whenever we are educating coaches within my business. It’s so important to know this. Every client or patient that you’re working with has a pelvic floor and we can be addressing the public floor in every single person, regardless of if they have or ever going to go through pregnancy or birth, or if they are not having any, you know, like red flaggy type symptoms that lead us to believe there’s a public floor issue.

The pelvic floor is a super important part of the body. So yeah, that said, we tend to see. See more pelvic floor issues arise in people who have had pregnancy birth postpartum, simply because that’s such an event to occur in the body that it just leads to more issues occurring, however. Pelvic floor issues are happening in genders of all people, regardless of if they’re ever going to [00:05:00] carry a baby in their body.

And pelvic floor issues don’t only show up like leaking or a pelvic organ prolapse. Low back and pelvic pain can also be quite related to pelvic floor, and we know that that can be showing up in any population as well. 

Siobhan Milner: I’m obviously working a lot with an athletic population and for fun I really follow a lot of powerlifting and sometimes you’ll see powerlifters have stress incontinence on stage when they’re doing things like deadlifts.

 I read something recently in the literature actually which was really fascinating because it was looking at, I think it was CBT, so Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, as an intervention for stress incontinence and I saw that there was actually quite a link between the mental stress. it’s not just physical stress, it’s also, the mental stress.

So, do you have any insights about this sort of thing for athletes? 

Jessie Mundell: Yeah, that’s so interesting. And, you know, before we started recording, we were talking [00:06:00] about pain and how pain is so multifactorial. And it’s the exact same thing with pelvic floor symptoms. So much of the work that I do with clients is not only addressing the physical, but also handling the psychological, of course, within my scope of practice.

But so much of it is. Helping people trust their bodies, believe in the capability of their bodies, especially with pregnant and postpartum people, but for sure with athletes as well, and kind of redefining our relationship to symptoms. For people who have had incontinence, it can be really scary. And you can get really fearful in your body, especially for those people who are picking up heavy weights, because we fear that that’s going to continue to happen again.

We lift completely differently, like our actual, the way we are approaching the bar, the way we are setting up for the lift is so different. If we are [00:07:00] thinking about something else. If we are worried that something else is to come. If we are scared we’re going to pee on the platform. You can even feel like the tension that could create in your body as you go to approach that.

So yes, so much of it is trusting the body. Figuring out how we can not hyper focus on the pelvic floor, almost taking away the focus from the pelvic floor, which seems to be counterintuitive if we’re leaking, but actually is incredibly helpful. So, yeah, it’s totally marrying these actual physical protocols and strategies, but also dealing with the brain around it too.

Siobhan Milner: Yeah, that’s actually so fascinating thinking about like the fear of the activity reproducing the leakage because we see this exactly with people who are in pain the way their mechanics are altered and some of that is not just from them being scared of being in pain, it’s a protective [00:08:00] thing from the body, but yeah, it’s such a parallel there actually, that’s really fascinating.

Jessie Mundell: Yeah, it’s cool. And I kind of think this is one of the missing links with pelvic floor stuff training over the last five years. It’s shifting a lot, especially again, for people who are postpartum pregnancy athletes, just how we think about symptoms and how we begin to move away from getting people to be so fearful about it because it’s just information.

Yeah. Pain can also be information. Pelvic floor symptoms. It’s just giving us, you know, an insight to what might be happening in the body and the brain. And it does not necessarily mean things are getting worse. You know, your prolapse grade is increasing. You’re going to leak forever. We kind of need to shove that stuff to the side because it’s not necessarily true by any and it can just ramp up the symptoms that people are [00:09:00] experiencing anyway.

So it’s just, we got to interrupt it in some way. 

Siobhan Milner: So for athletes who are either pregnant or postpartum, what things might they need to consider when they’re training? How could this differ pre to postpartum? But then also, I’m sorry this is many questions, but, but also what you’ve just said is it like, they don’t even need to think about it unless they’re actually having symptoms, because are we going to cause a problem that’s not there if we think about it too much?

Jessie Mundell: Yeah, oh my gosh, I know it gets a little bit finicky when we get into the – – a bit meta! -. Yeah. Yeah So yeah There are things to consider for sure pregnant postpartum athletes and honestly both are quite similar Of course, we can just dial into things for pregnancy dial into things for postpartum, but high level overview Let’s learn where the pelvic floor is in the body and let’s learn how to connect to [00:10:00] it.

The main thing is that we need to learn how to manage intra abdominal pressure. That is the thing that is going to dictate Often, how we’re feeling in the pelvic floor, in the abdomen, and any symptoms or potential injuries that might come to those places too. So, the core is a contained unit. So, it has a top, a bottom, front, sides, and back.

So, we always just use a pop can to kind of indicate what this would look like. It’s a contained unit, so we need to think about the pressure contained within that unit. We don’t want to eliminate or necessarily reduce intra abdominal pressure. We know that intra abdominal pressure is key. That allows us to stand, to lift, to engage in intense, heavy exercise.

We need that. But we need to figure out how do we manage that pressure optimally for the pelvic [00:11:00] floor to stay working well, and by working well, like, meeting the demands of what we’re putting on it. So, does it have enough strength to close, you know, the sphincters of the pelvic floor? the anus to not have fecal leakage when we’re lifting a heavy deadlift?

Can we create a balanced pressure system to not have our abdomen be chronically bulging out through every lift we do so we eliminate risk for potential abdominal hernias, for example? This is what we are really concerned with. How do we manage that intra abdominal pressure for actual structural support of the pelvic floor and the abdominal wall, and then also to improve our performance and the way we do.

This is by various strategies. The 1st, 1 being. How do we connect the breath to the abdominal wall and the pelvic floor? This tends to be where we start for everyone pregnant, postpartum, [00:12:00] but again, anyone with a pelvic floor, just figuring out, okay, when we do this type of breathing, when we breathe in a way that is breathing into the ribcage.

The diaphragm, the abdomen, and the pelvic floor. What do we feel on the inhale? And when we exhale, and we send that breath out, can we feel this gentle recoiling of the pelvic floor? This drawing in slightly of the abdomen? The rib cage setting back down? Can we just figure out the breathing mechanics first?

And then we can kind of move on and say, how do we apply this breath principle? in heavier lifting. And then progressing. How do we do a good breath hold in lifting that’s not going to bear down on the pelvic floor? So breath and the pelvic floor are super linked and it’s important to kind of figure that out first in order to be able to manage that pressure within the core well.

Siobhan Milner: I think that’s really interesting because I [00:13:00] think in both the athletic population but also probably in some people who’ve never trained, there are some people that are very good at ignoring what they feel in their body or have not tuned into it at all. It’s interesting hearing you describe like how does that breath affect the pelvic floor because I can imagine for some people you work with they can’t even feel how it affects it in the beginning.

Jessie Mundell: Yeah, it can be really difficult to even feel the pelvic floor. It can be difficult to even feel that sensation of the breathing, like this inhale to expand through the ribcage, send the breath all the way down to your pelvic floor. And then, Exhale, feel the pelvic floor lifting, the ribcage come down. I mean, that takes some body awareness and some brain body connection to figure out.

So again, that’s kind of the first place we start for anyone regardless of if they’re having pelvic floor symptoms or not, but [00:14:00] definitely if people are experiencing symptoms, that’s my go to move. 

Siobhan Milner: Yeah, and I think another benefit of this is like we say, this stress aspect is not just. physical. And if you’re tuning into your body, that’s probably like in a way similar to mindfulness, which also just helps regulate how you feel.

Jessie Mundell: Yes. Yes. So much of pelvic floor health support strategy also can come down to allowing the nervous system to kind of chill and reset. And from there, we often will feel this reduction of symptoms just from that alone. 

Siobhan Milner: So when it comes to athletes training one of the things I see sometimes in athletic population, but also especially when I’m working with postpartum clients, is it will be things like impact in particular causes leakage.

, I’ve got a background working in rehab and kind of one of the ideas in rehab is that we [00:15:00] deload in the beginning and then we reload and one of the ways we reload as well expose people to the aggravating stimulus and like small steps, but I wonder, do you do a similar thing when it comes to something like leakage or are there certain things that people should avoid?

Jessie Mundell: Yeah, that’s a great question. And that is essentially it. We’re following the principle of progressive overload with all things pelvic floor, especially with returning to impact in that way. So we’re just trying to figure out, okay, can the pelvic floor handle this load? Okay, if it can, great. Let’s take it up a notch.

Can it now handle this load? It can’t? Okay, let’s adjust in some way. Maybe we need to regress, but maybe we just need to change the strategy in how we are actually doing the exercise or the movement. And this is what I tend to go to with pelvic floor coaching. It’s not taking people out of the exercise out of the workout [00:16:00] whenever possible.

It’s just modifying the strategy of what we’re using. So one strategy being the breath. Another being how we are holding or generating tension in the body. how we’re actually positioning the body, so the technique we’re using in that exercise, and also, are we engaging the whole body through the movement, or are we, again, hyper focused on the pelvic floor?

Are we too focused on the pelvic floor? So yes, principle of progressive overload for all the things, and also, can we adjust the strategy in some way about how we’re doing the exercise because that tends to have a huge impact on how the pelvic floor then responds. 

Siobhan Milner: And so if someone is listening to this and they’re having some sort of symptoms theirselves, Okay, we’ve said you can change maybe the technique of something, maybe it’s going to be weight placement, you can play with breath.

But what would you [00:17:00] suggest if an athlete or a patient or someone, they’ve found an activity that they can handle and then they have the idea of whatever they think the next step is, but every time they try and go there it causes a symptom? 

Jessie Mundell: Yes, yeah, definitely. Okay, so let’s say it’s, Running. So someone is returning to running postpartum and maybe they do have a super solid base of strength.

They’ve returned to strength training for the last, you know, let’s say 6 to 8 weeks. They’ve gone out on some steady state runs and it felt okay. But whenever they try to increase their pace. Things get weird in the pelvic floor. Maybe they feel pressure in the pelvic floor. Maybe they’re starting to leak.

The first thing I’m going to do is say, okay, did those symptoms increase as soon as you ramped up the pace? Or was it just, you know, like three minutes in to taking that pace up? So I want to know, is it something that’s [00:18:00] happening right away? Or is it a more so a sign of pelvic floor fatigue? Like, is it The pelvic floor is just unable at a certain point to handle that load because maybe the endurance isn’t quite there and then that kind of dictates me if it’s something that’s happening three minutes in that we’re just going to say, okay, let’s go to two minutes and 30 seconds.

And if you felt good there. Then we’re going to bring the pace down, maybe even move to walking for a little bit, and then we’re going to get back into it. And eventually, we’re just going to go with that principle of progressive overload, trying to increase that up to the three minute mark and beyond if we’re feeling good with that.

If it’s something that’s happening right away, we increase the pace and the pelvic floor immediately, immediately is like, No, this is not going to happen. Then I’m more so looking at those other strategies. Okay. What was happening with your breath? What was happening with your body position, and can we adjust?[00:19:00] 

Can we come back to the breath and send that breath more so into the ribcage, into the diaphragm? Can we take more of a slight forward lean in your run? Can we get a bit more upper body thoracic rotation in your run? Did you get a bit Tight as soon as you started to take up that pace, and maybe everything then changed was how the body was responding.

So that’s kind of where I start. It’s a little bit of an art and a science. It’s just figuring out, okay, what do we need right now for this particular situation? 

Siobhan Milner: Yeah, I feel like this is all exercise coaching as well, like at no matter, no matter what level, it’s always art and science for sure. , I have a friend who I’ve had on the podcast before, Arthur, who’s a pain scientist.

And we talk a lot about pain because we were in the same program together. He was doing his PhD. But one of the things. We’ve talked about for some people and sometimes with pain is you don’t always have to worry about he calls it like getting [00:20:00] burned like if you have some pain sometimes in your rehab process if you push a little too far because it doesn’t mean you’re back to step one and it doesn’t mean you’re doing permanent damage.

Can people think the same way when it comes to kind of pushing into some of these symptoms? Like is there anything that people should really avoid pushing into because it could cause longer term issues down the line or is it like it’s okay to sometimes push a little far and get those symptoms come back?

Jessie Mundell: Yeah, another excellent question. Yeah, my opinion on this has changed so much within the last five years. Five years ago, I probably would have been much more nervous and conservative, and now I just think it’s gray area. There’s nuance to it for sure. Again, I think symptoms are information. I think it’s okay That maybe you tried for the heaviest lift you have done in months and months, or maybe ever, and you had a bit of leaking that occurred.

That doesn’t feel scary to me [00:21:00] anymore. Again, it’s just information. Okay, that load, that challenge is telling us that the pelvic floor was not quite ready for that. And again, Some people are okay with leaking. Some people are okay to push themselves to a point of performance. And if they leak, fine, they’re not worried about it.

They don’t care. There’s no embarrassment. They’re not worried about their body or their pelvic floor. For the majority of people that I’m working with, that would be an issue for them. They don’t want that to continue occurring. So we’re trying to coach around that. We’re trying to figure out how can we not make that happen again.

And so we’re then just going to figure out what do we need to do to make that hopefully not happen again. But I’m not worried. I’m not thinking like we’ve damaged something, your bladder has prolapsed, you know, like we’re gonna see this continue all the time, forever and ever, that’s not where my brain is going at all.

That said, if it is something that’s [00:22:00] happening kind of once in a while, and then it’s chilling out, and it’s not, you know, that symptoms are ramping up for the next, you know, Three to five days afterwards. Okay. That feels like a safe place for me as the coach guiding someone. If it’s something where you go for a run, a sprinting workout, and then your prolapse is really bugging you throughout the rest of the day.

It’s taking up a ton of mental energy and you feel like for the next week, it’s still plaguing you. You’re still irritated by it. That’s when I am more so thinking we need to approach this in a different way because that irritation, that mental and emotional energy that it’s taking up, I don’t want that to be in your life.

I’m probably actually not super concerned about what’s happening on a pelvic floor level. It’s more so that that’s really annoying for you. That’s then taking you out of other exercise, that’s taking your mental energy away from other stuff in [00:23:00] your life. So how do we adjust? 

Siobhan Milner: Yeah, I think also what you say about kind of two things, it being really personal in terms of what people can tolerate in terms of, like, a symptom flare up, but also, again, I’m kind of likening it to pain.

You see, for some people, they can push further into pain without having an actual flare up. And maybe it’s the same with pelvic floor, that you can have symptoms on a day that maybe they’re much more than what you’ve had, but you’re not necessarily going to have trouble for the rest of the week. Whereas perhaps some other people can’t push as far and will have problems for multiple days after.

Jessie Mundell: Yeah, exactly. And it really comes down to that sensitivity of the individual with how they are experiencing that symptom. Exactly. 

Siobhan Milner: We’ve talked a lot about leakage, like incontinence. If someone is listening to this, and maybe they don’t have those symptoms in particular, but they’re wondering [00:24:00] if they’re getting some symptoms that could be related to or caused by pelvic floor issues, how would they identify that and what might some of those other specific symptoms be?

Jessie Mundell: Yeah, for sure. Other symptoms that can be related to pelvic floor, low back pain, pelvic pain, so that could be in the front of the pelvis, pubic symphysis, that could be at the back of the pelvis, SI joint, tailbone pain, etc. It could be that you have a hernia. And abdominal hernia or umbilical hernia around the belly button, that can be a common thing, especially for postpartum populations.

It can also be related to sexual health. So perhaps you are feeling pain or burning within the genitals, genital touching or penetration that could be vaginal or anal penetration. So there are things that You might not think this is a pelvic floor [00:25:00] issue, but there might be other signs that something is happening.

On the note of leaking, there are also other types of incontinence, not just urinary leaking, but gas and fecal leaking. There’s also urgency where we feel like I have got to go to a bathroom right now or i’m gonna pee my pants right here So it’s the sensation of I need to go right away. I cannot hold it any longer Whereas that stress urinary urinary incontinence is more so Leaking under those loads, like laughing super hard, coughing, sneezing, jumping on the trampoline with your kids.

So, various ways that these things can show up. Another thing to consider is diastasis recti, which we can get into further. But again, something that I don’t want to cause people to be super concerned about, because diastasis recti, abdominal separation, That often for [00:26:00] most everyone occurs during pregnancy can persist.

Postpartum often heals very well for postpartum people. Sometimes does not. And we can have, you know, a much more lax connective tissue in the middle of the abdomen that is persisting postpartum, but sometimes that can be. a core and pelvic floor issue as well. 

Siobhan Milner: You’ve given a few practical examples in terms of scaling things up if they’re aggravating, but what I’m wondering is for people listening, if they’re like, okay, yeah, I definitely do have some issues related to my pelvic floor.

How can someone know if these are things that they can kind of try and manage by themselves or if they should. contact a health care provider. 

Jessie Mundell: Yes. Yes. So I think for everyone who has had a pregnancy given birth at any point does not have to be recent within the last, you know, [00:27:00] six months, five years, it could be at any point.

If you’re able to accessing a publicly For physical therapist or physiotherapist. That’s a really cool thing to do. It’s an incredible education on the body and that physical therapist can do again. If you are comfortable and consenting an internal exam on the pelvic floor, so we can really see. Okay, what’s your actual strength of the pelvic floor?

Like what’s your endurance? Like Where are those pelvic organs sitting? Are they where we, you know, generally would want them to be? So that’s always an option. Go get an assessment by a very well trained pelvic floor physical therapist. Ideally, that comes with good referrals from someone that you know.

They are not all created equal, so if we can find someone that we trust, that’s for sure best route. Second thing is You can just go ahead and keep trying on your own. Try some of these adjustments [00:28:00] that we might’ve talked about today. If things are still not working out, you’re still having that chronic low back pain.

Your pelvic pain is very irritating to you, or it’s just irritating on a level where you’re like, I don’t want to experience this anymore in my body. I want to fix this up. I want to train at this higher level and I don’t feel safe or comfortable to do so. Then absolutely. Finding some resources where you’re working with a physical therapist or someone like me who is a fitness professional who is well trained in these topics as well too.

The tricky thing is Most trainers, most fitness coaches are not trained in the pelvic floor. Even folks who have pregnancy and postpartum certifications, some of those are not high quality, in my opinion. Some are still teaching outdated strategies and around the pelvic floor. So. Yeah, if we can find someone who is well trained on current evidence based concepts [00:29:00] to just give you some direction about how you’re going to work through to the next step to ditch some of these symptoms, that for sure is best route.

Siobhan Milner: Yeah, it, it even makes me think of, you know, you mentioned Diastasis Recti and it’s like, I’m sure you’ve seen this, the first, three pages of Google on Diastasis Recti are all of these blogs referencing each other and they’re totally counter to what the evidence actually says. So, it’s hard for people out there to know who to trust and how to find good information.

Jessie Mundell: It’s a bummer, for sure. It’s Yeah, it is so, so tough for people to find someone, particularly in your local area. And again, if you’re looking for someone, find someone who is exercise progressive, they believe in strength training, even when you have pelvic organ prolapse, even when you are leaking. [00:30:00] I think that that is so key.

Our ultimate goal, Is to keep you in the exercise or get you back to doing the exercise that you want to do. Never do I want to take some, one out of the workout or take something away from someone. And if that is what the professional who you’re seeing is recommending, I really, I just can’t get on board with that for the majority of cases.

Siobhan Milner: Yeah, no, for sure. I’m, I’m in exactly the same boat. I particularly work with a lot of American clients because Americans are unfortunately used to paying for anything that’s kind of healthcare adjacent. So a lot of people come to me even though I’m international for kind of the longer stage rehab stuff with injuries.

And yeah, I’ve had some people be told , Oh yeah, you can’t exercise until we’ve fixed X, Y, Z. And I’m like, man, you are just creating a barrier. To some of the most health [00:31:00] promoting interventions we know of, you know? It’s so wild. 

Jessie Mundell: And this is the thing with pelvic floor as well, too. Sedentary behavior is very unlikely to help the pelvic floor feel better.

Similar to pain. Yeah. Some of our best strategies for helping people feel better with pelvic floor symptoms during pregnancy, postpartum, and just forever hurts. Is movement, is strength training, is loading the body in various ways, is building body confidence. So, yeah, let’s keep people doing these things as best as we are able to.

Siobhan Milner: I really love this, Jessie. I like how positive this is. Is there anything else you’d like to be asked or anything that you think you want to drive home for listeners?

Jessie Mundell: The one thing I will say, if you have been struggling with pelvic floor symptoms for a long time, I mean, people come to me and they’ve been struggling for 10, 15, 20 years. It is [00:32:00] often so much simpler than we think to start addressing these things and seeing fast results. For some people, it is within a matter of days, weeks that their symptoms start reducing when we do start to tackle some of these things.

So again, just don’t think that it’s ever too late. If you had your babies a long time ago, totally fine. This is just a part of the body like any other that we are able to rehab and get better function with. So it’s just never, ever too late. 

Siobhan Milner: Yeah, the body is adaptable. Yes. Could you let people know where they can find you actually as well, if they’d like to learn more about you and the services you offer?

Jessie Mundell: Yes, yeah, so Jessie Mundell everywhere on the internet. That’s my website https://www.jessiemundell.com and then on Instagram. Facebook and Tiktok @jessiemundell, and then I also host a podcast with a pelvic floor physical therapist, Anita Lambert, and that’s called To Birth [00:33:00] and Beyond. And we have conversations like this every week, so if you’re looking for good, evidence based, current understandings about pelvic floor and everything related to pelvic floor, that’s where we have those.

Siobhan Milner: Awesome. I know I have some clients and some listeners who I’m definitely going to refer to that. So that’s really cool. Thank you very much. 

Jessie Mundell: Thank you. Cool. 

Siobhan Milner: Thanks for chatting with me today, Jessie.

Jessie Mundell: Thanks for having me.