Olympic Weightlifting for Dancers and Non-traditional Athletes with Angela Sorensen, PhD

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In this podcast episode, Siobhan Milner and Angela Sorensen discuss the role of Olympic weightlifting (and its derivatives) beyond “traditional” sports, particularly for dancers and other athletes who may not typically recognise the value of weightlifting.

Angela addresses a common critique that Olympic lifting is overly complex for non-competitive athletes and suggests this complexity is due to a lack of understanding among coaches, asserting that it can be simplified into manageable movements. She emphasizes that weightlifting is valuable for developing power, strength, and stability, which are beneficial in dance (and all athletic pursuits!). She explains that while dancers may initially resist weightlifting because it doesn’t look like dance, specific Olympic lifting movements can simulate and enhance the biomechanical demands of dance, such as lifting partners overhead, jumping, and managing rhythm and timing.

Angela highlights how weightlifting prepares dancers for “load acceptance” (absorbing external forces), which is useful for safely lifting partners and decelerating movements—skills that dancers often need in partner choreography. She argues that lifting builds power, flexibility, and dynamic stability, all of which improve performance and safety. Additionally, she acknowledges that while not all athletes need to learn full Olympic lifts, coaches can adapt sub-movements (like high pulls or shrugs) to achieve targeted benefits.

Angela Sorensen also touches on the essentials of stability and strength training, emphasizing the importance of foundational movements over trendy, often superficial exercises seen on social media.

Angela encourages athletes new to strength training to master the basics with precision and consistency, laying a solid foundation before adding complexity. This approach, she notes, will set dancers (and all athletes) up for long-term success.

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About Angela Sorensen:

Dr Angela Sorensen holds a PhD in sports biomechanics from Middlesex University.  She has been serving as the Head Strength & Conditioning Coach at English National Ballet School since 2018. 

Previously, Angela has served as the Director of Sports Performance at Loyola University Chicago for 6 years where she was the strength coach for the back-to-back Men’s Volleyball National Champions in 2014 & 2015.  She has also worked in private sports performance, co-authored and instructed international coaching education courses, worked in physical therapy, works with private weightlifting and sports performance clients, and has presented her research at international conferences. 

She earned her Bachelor’s Degree in Exercise Science at University of Nebraska – Kearney in 2004, her Masters Degree in Sport and Exercise Science from Middlesex University in 2018, and PhD in 2023. 

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Siobhan Milner: [00:00:00] Welcome, Angela. How are you doing? 

Angela Sorensen: I’m doing great. How are you, Siobhan? 

Siobhan Milner: I am good. I’ve had a busy day with athletes, but I’m excited to get to talk to you because it’s always great to get to pick the brains of other S& C coaches. 

Angela Sorensen: Yeah, it’s always nice to connect with like other S& C coaches, you know, see what, see what they have to say.

I like stealing a lot of my info and knowledge from other coaches. So hopefully we can have a little exchange. 

Siobhan Milner: So can you tell us a little bit about how you started working with athletes? 

Angela Sorensen: When I was an athlete, like what feels like eons ago, but it was only about, you know, 20 years ago, I was in track and field in university.

And I was a pre med for some reason. I was like, cool, I want to be a doctor, you know, as one does. And I realized after half a semester of organic chemistry, I was like, this isn’t my jam. So I actually walked up to my strength coach at the time and I was like, Hey John, how do I do what you do?

And he’s like, right, you need to do this, this, and this. So I went over, I [00:01:00] changed my major immediately. I convinced him to do an internship for me and then, you know, from there, you know, it just grew and grew. So basically when I was doing my undergrad, I realized that I liked being in the weight room.

And I liked working with sports. It didn’t have to be a specific sport, but I really liked getting myself strong. So I thought it was really cool to actually also be able to get other people strong. And then from there, it’s just, it’s blossomed over the last 20 odd years of, you know, being around a weight room and helping athletes and individuals reach a new potential.

Siobhan Milner: Amazing. And I know you’ve done a PhD in biomechanics, so I’m curious, how does that fit into the whole strength and conditioning journey? Did you work with athletes for a little while and then go do some of the PhD after? 

Angela Sorensen: So I’m what they refer to as a mature student, meaning that I didn’t go from my undergraduate into a master’s into a PhD.

I was lucky enough to [00:02:00] do my undergraduate and then after two years I started working in private sports performance instead of just personal training. I went into private sports performance where I was actually working as like an S& C coach. And then it was there for several years, kind of did a sideways shift into working in physical therapy for about five years, was able to make the transition back to strength and conditioning and private sports performance and kind of served a dual role between physical therapy aid and SNC coach.

And then I got a wonderful opportunity to work at Loyola University Chicago as an SNC, as an assistant strength and conditioning coach was there for six years. Kind of decided like, you know, I want to, I want to go back. I want to dig into stuff a little bit deeper. So I quit my very comfortable lifestyle, very comfortable job job.

I loved everyone was wonderful there and decided to move to London to pursue a master’s degree. So I already had loads of practical experience, probably more [00:03:00] than, you know, 15 years of practical experience at that point. moved to London, decided I liked my master’s program so much that I might as well just carry on into doing a PhD in biomechanics.

And you could kind of say that I’ve specialized in Olympic style weightlifting over the years because I’ve competed and coached weightlifters for 20 years. So I did a PhD In the kinetics and kinematics of weightlifting. So I have obviously like a crazy amount of knowledge about like weightlifting, but I think my favorite part about having been a mature student is that now I can, I could take what I knew practically and prove it in research.

And now I can take that research back in. And, you know, whether I’m working with personal training clients or with CrossFitters or athletes or even work with dancers as well, you know, I know how these mechanics, how these, you know, [00:04:00] biomechanical principles actually apply in these different settings. And with that practical knowledge, I’m able to.

Utilize different weightlifting derivatives in a very, you know, unique and interesting way in a lot of these settings and make it applicable and accessible to pretty much anybody really.

Siobhan Milner: You’ve mentioned these different populations as well. So there’s CrossFit, dancers, personal training.

I think we all understand obviously that those who are going to compete in weightlifting or things like CrossFit where they have some weightlifting variations in their competitions, we understand why they might do Olympic weightlifting in their training. But for some of the other populations, so personal training clients, dancers, What would you say about how we might or might not incorporate Olympic lifting into their training?

Is there value for this? What’s your thoughts about that? 

Angela Sorensen: Yeah, so with weightlifting, I know so many coaches Have negative views on utilizing Olympic weightlifting derivatives in a performance [00:05:00] environment because they say it’s too complicated to teach. And so my, my suggestion is, if it’s too complicated to teach, it’s because you don’t understand it yourself.

It’s actually super simple to break it down. And, you know, all of the research says that like, Hey, you know, like, this is one of the best things to do for power development. So in some of these other populations, like working with dancers, like, you know, while it’s atypical for a dancer to lift weights, because they’re, Oh, my God, I’m going to get so big, I’m going to get huge, like, Oh, no, like, no, what we’re actually doing is we’re doing a few things That are very similar and biomechanically speaking, but also, you know, we need them strong.

We need them powerful, you know, and then there’s, there’s alternative things to think about with like load acceptance. So there is a case for utilizing Olympic weightlifting in, in like a dance setting. Because with different styles of dance, you actually have [00:06:00] a lot of the, you have the same athletic foundations needed as sport athletes, but these are more like artistic athletes.

So you still need to be able to jump high. You still need to have you know, react. strength. A lot of times there are partner dances where they need to lift somebody overhead. So we need to know the rhythm and the timing. We need to be able to practice that in a safe environment and sort of a consequence free environment.

So it’s Very easy. Let’s do a push press. All right. We’ve got a little bit of a counter movement dip press. Oh, what’s that look like? That looks like lifting a partner overhead. So we, it’s, it’s not so much like, oh my God, I have having them Olympic lifting. I am mimicking some of the mechanical characteristics, some of the rhythm and timing of some of these movements.

And they’re able to do that. Sort of fast track their development when they’re working on this. So if we’re working on, say like a push, press to work on that dip and the timing and pressing out, they’re doing it with a weight. So if they dropped the weight, [00:07:00] not a big deal and they get to practice it ahead of time, then they go in the studios.

All right. Now we’re going to practice it with a partner, a little bit more of a consequence. If they dropped their partner, probably not a good thing. Right. But in the meantime, we’ve kind of taught them the foundational movements, the foundational rhythm of how to utilize. Their own strength and power and stability to actually make what they do in the studio Much much easier.

So if you know anything about weightlifting, you can break it down into phases You can and within those phases you can do Sub movements so you don’t have to do a full power clean you can do You know a high pull you can do just a shrug so you can still get a lot of these Physical characteristics in something that’s easy to manage for individuals now.

I know it’s not always Weightlifting isn’t the answer to everything, although we’d love it to be, you know, so like that’s where like the art of coaching comes in because I know some of my, some of my athletes, some of the dancers that I’ve worked with, some of the crossfitters, some of like my [00:08:00] personal training clients who are interested in it, you know, they might not need a specific, they might not need to snatch from the floor, you know, they might just want to do a little bit of practice from like the hang.

So that’s where. All of my practical experience comes in like, all right, I recognize this isn’t your thing. So I want you to develop these physical qualities, but we’re going to make it in something that you enjoy just a little bit more because at the end of the day, as strength and conditioning coaches, we want to make them better, but we want them to have fun.

And we also want to make sure that they don’t get hurt. So those are just some of the things that I tend to think about when I start applying all of, you know, what I’ve learned over the years, whether in a practical environment or in a, in a lab based situation. 

Siobhan Milner: This is really interesting because actually so I spoke in, in the last series of this podcast, I spoke to a strength coach called Jason Harrison, who works primarily with dancers.

And one of the things that he and I were talking about was how [00:09:00] sometimes dancers, if we’re talking about this population in particular. They look at things like Olympic weightlifting or even just standard strength training and power lifting derivatives. And they think that it doesn’t look like dance.

So they don’t do it. They kind of sometimes they’re what they call cross training ends up looking too much like dance and not enough like strength training or weightlifting. But I think you’ve just done a really good job of actually explaining why. Some of these weightlifting derivatives actually do quite well mimic the demands of dance.

Angela Sorensen: Yeah. So like with a, with a lift or with like a partner lift or any of that rhythm and timing. Well, If you think about a lot of times, you know, some of the arguments in strength and conditioning in SNC for utilizing like a catch of a power clean is load acceptance, like being able to decelerate to absorb that force, if you will, although that’s a little bit of a.

Physics. No, no, it’s not. So being able to [00:10:00] accept an external load. And a lot of times we talk about that in context of like NFL players or rugby players, because they are physically running into somebody. So you need to be able to decelerate, not just your weight, but an external force. Well, in dancing with partners.

Depending on the movement, depending on the style of dance, that partner is going to be jumping at you, or you still have to lower them down. You have to understand how to decelerate yourself and an external load, whatever that load is. And in dance, that’s the case for being able to, like, learn a very basic power clean, you know, from the hang.

Because you learn how to stabilize, to brace, and that’s one of those overlooked qualities. And that’s why I think weightlifting is so great, is because You develop the power, you develop good range of motion, and you develop a whole lot of dynamic stability, because if you can’t brace when you receive that load, it’s dangerous.

[00:11:00] Well, if you’re in sport or anything you’re using, there, you, in, in life, you have to decelerate sometimes. Sometimes you’re holding something, you also need to decelerate, you know, even for like mothers, you know, like if they, for somehow, Trip and fall, and they hold the baby, they have to slow down and understand how to decelerate so they don’t get injured.

And so that’s like another component that it makes weightlifting so great because you can hit all of these physical capacities in one simple lift. So like, I feel like I’m, I’m sounding like an infomercial right now, like just weightlift, it solves everything. But like it does have a lot of great uses when you know how to apply it properly.

Siobhan Milner: One of the things you just touched on was dynamic stability, the fact that you have to stabilize and obviously catch something that’s moving. and this is quite interesting because I see, again, I see it in this dance population, but you see it when, often we see it in the general population being trained on social media these days, that when people are thinking about.[00:12:00] 

stability or balance. We’re always seeing people like on uneven surfaces or training on Bosu balls and that’s what people think of as stability training. What are your thoughts and tips on stability or balance training in general? 

Angela Sorensen: Yeah. So I appreciate I work in a rehabilitation sense because I have worked in rehab, I work alongside a lot of athletic trainers and physios over the years, like some of those soft, squishy surfaces do serve a purpose in terms of developing proprioception when returning from injury.

Siobhan Milner: Do you mind just describing what proprioception is? Just because I know that some people listening probably don’t know. 

Angela Sorensen: So proprioception, a basic way to describe it is your ability to orient yourself. In space in the world, like understanding your body, you and your body understanding where you are in space.

So that’s why balance is so important because it’s appropriate. Except if you know where you are in space and you’re able to maintain your position. Now, [00:13:00] if you aren’t able to maintain your position, we need to work on that proprioception. So we need to work on your body’s ability to organize itself in space and stabilize it.

Be strong there. So, in the context of, like, developing performance, like, in a rehab sense, I’m all for it, and years from now we might re watch this podcast, and I might cringe at some of the things I’m about to say, but, you know, in general, in most sports, barring, you know, like swimming, because obviously swimming is not a, a land based, a ground based sport, but pretty much every other sport is based on solid ground.

Barring beach volleyball as well. 

Siobhan Milner: I’m in the weird sports. 

Angela Sorensen: Yeah. I appreciate the weird sports carry on. You know, but like still, it is still somewhat ground based. So like in your particular case, like working on a squishy, uneven, unstable surface, probably pretty good in terms of like preventing injuries.

But [00:14:00] most other sports, you know, when we’re talking about developing force and power. We’re doing it on a flat, stable surface, you know, even, you know, some of some of the unevenness, you know, say like an ultra marathon or running in the mountains, the surface is still hard. It might be uneven, but it’s not squishy unless they’re running through quicksand or on marshy ground.

It’s not really squishy. So like, they need to be able to decelerate even on this uneven surface. So it has its place, but. In general, what I think, and you kind of talked about it with like this online training now, like we forget the KISS principle, like we’re humans. We need to keep it simple, keep it simple.

And, you know, we don’t need to have them. Kneeling on a BOSU ball while you poke them with a stick to throw them off balance, you know, when you can just ask them to hold an isometric hold, or you can have asymmetrical carries to [00:15:00] develop, to develop a lot of that strength and stability, especially in multi planar environments, because as much as I love weightlifting, it works in one plane and on two legs.

Mostly two legs so outside of the jerk so as a strength and conditioning coach. All right, I’m developing this quality But in in sport, we work in three dimensions up downside side rotation. We’re working all over the place So I don’t think some of those like squishy surface type training has a place outside of being like a very small Small chunk, like maybe a little bit of the rehab or, you know, we can kind of call it dessert if they really like to feel like they’re challenged based on doing single leg balances, blindfolded, you know, holding a kettlebell on one leg, you know, at the end, great, but that should not be the main dish of our programming.

It has its place. It has its purposes, but overall we need to train. You [00:16:00] know, if we’re talking sports specificity, cause that’s what we always talk about is sports specificity. Well, it’s ground based it’s, we need to, you know, practice like you play. You’re going to be playing on a hard surface on a stable surface.

Cool. We need to get you strong in that one first, please. 

Siobhan Milner: Yeah. It’s really interesting because I think when athletes, hear, kind of the, okay, but we’re still going to do the squat, the hinge, the push, the pull, we’re still going to do the power things or the Olympic derivatives. It’s sometimes, it doesn’t sound sexy, you know, like they’re often looking for the, oh, but I saw this person doing on this on Instagram and this was crazy.

And I’m like, Yeah, maybe it was crazy, but it doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily what you need. 

Angela Sorensen: Yeah, I get that all the time. They’re like, oh, but this, like, super elite athlete does that. I was like, cool, what did they do when they were at your age and your developmental level? 

Siobhan Milner: Yeah, and we’re also only ever seeing, like, a tiny snippet of what someone’s doing on social media.

And I think the other trouble is with social [00:17:00] media, you never know if what you’re seeing is just something they made for a reel or if it’s actually something they do. 

Angela Sorensen: I used to say all the time, like, nobody puts their bad days on Instagram. You know, and they probably do now and like in the, under the guise of like, Oh, I’m struggling too, but I can pull myself up, like some of that sort of like false positivity, which I’m not a super fan of, like, just own that.

It’s hard if you have a bad day and you don’t. Drop the weight, you know, okay, you might end up on the blooper reels, but that’s unfortunate, but that’s, that is the nature of being an athlete, you know, and that’s, that’s awesome that you see these things that these elite athletes are looking to do that they’re doing, and that’s something to aspire to, but let’s actually, I’d love for the message to be out there that like, hey, okay, they’re at this level, but what were the steps that they did to get to that level.

And I think that’s something that’s like very frequently overlooked in the social media age of strength and conditioning, [00:18:00] to be honest, is what it took to get there. 

Siobhan Milner: I’ve worked with a lot of dancers as well. And something I noticed in both the dance world, but also just general athletic world, is often you see the beginners.

They’re practicing the foundations all the time, whether that is dance specific skills, or if we’re talking athletes over here in the gym, doing like the basic stuff in the gym. And then often you see they get to a certain level kind of intermediate where they think they’re, and this is not everyone, but it’s a generalization where they kind of think they’re too good for the basics.

And then when they become really, really advanced, they’re doing the basics again. Like they realize how important it is to keep that foundation polished, you know? 

Angela Sorensen: Yeah, I do a little bit of online lecturing for USA Weightlifting and we kind of talk about that because everyone always wants that elite program.

What are the elite people doing? They’re doing the basics and they’re doing them really, really well. And I think some of the issues and I know like in the US there’s a massive [00:19:00] argument about, you know, early sport specialization and for good reason, because I know, particularly in the US and maybe in the UK, it’s, it’s been a little bit different.

I haven’t been here long enough to truly speak for it, but with early sport specialization in the US, when, like, injuries that you used to see at the pro level only. Started to trickle down into college and university. And then it started to trickle down into like high school age athletes. So things like ACL tears and like Tommy John surgeries for like baseball players, things that used to be reserved for the elites because they’re working at such a high level have trickled down.

Because we specialize so early, like if you have a 14 year old where you have to keep a pitch count because he’s so good and he’s playing, he’s going from, you know, club season to high school season to, you know, travel baseball, and you haven’t given him a rest or them a rest and you [00:20:00] haven’t done any sort of strength and conditioning to counterbalance all those things that you’re doing, you know, so It’s doing a disservice to all of our future athletes now because we’ve allowed them to think about like, Oh, I have to train like a pro now.

I have to do those special things, but those pros are still doing this thing. The basics very, very well and regularly. And I think that’s a message that gets lost quite a lot in the search for something new and exciting and innovative. But if it boils back down to it, it was proven like 70 years ago. The, like, squat, pull, press, hinge.

Let’s, let’s do these basic movements. Let’s do them very, very well. And you’ll start to have that nice foundation that you can later do all of these other things for. 

Siobhan Milner: One of the things I wanted to ask you, because of course the PhD is in biomechanics and you’ve had this focus on weightlifting, I’m curious from the biomechanics [00:21:00] standpoint, one of the things that we’ve been discussing in general when it comes to lifting but also with Olympic lifting in the last few years is kind of fluid versus fixed variables for technique.

So sort of like these would be the checkpoints for technique on say a Clean that we always want to see. And then these would be the things that, this might look a little different if this person’s got different limb lengths or this person’s got different requirements of their sport. So I just wondered if you have any insights on that to share if people are using weightlifting to support their sport.

Angela Sorensen: I love that you asked that question. ’cause like my favorite thing to remind people is that human movement exists on a spectrum and. Each person’s spectrum is slightly different. You and I are not built the same. I love Olympic weightlifting, but I’m built like a flamingo. I’m meant to be rowing ships in the North sea.

If I look at my ancestry, I’m not meant to be lifting weights. I’m not built for it. [00:22:00] But with those components, like you said, there are key technical positions that need to be met. To ensure efficiency and to ensure safety. And there’s actually a really great paper. I forget who the lead author is. I think it’s Shada.

In conjunction with like Dr. Anna Swisher. They actually have a brilliant technical model and it breaks down like these are the stable components. These are what, these are the positions you need to be in at these different phases. But here are the variable components. Here’s the things that’s going to be different.

So like, in general, in a start position off of the floor, your feet are going to be on the floor. Variable might be the width, the degree of turnout. Those are the things that are going to be variable. Now when the bar is at knee, those shins need to be vertical. Based on that vertical shin position and things like limb [00:23:00] length and torso length, the angle of the back in relationship to the floor is going to look very different, like super tall lifters are going to, you know, they’re going to look like a crane out over the top of that bar in order to have that vertical shin position.

Long femurs also going to affect it. But if you look at a short lifter, short femur, short torso, their back ankle might be a little bit more upright just because they’ve got different body proportions, but at the base, that stable component, vertical shin, bar is at the knee, shoulders are over or slightly in front.

They’re going to hit a lot of those stable components, but based on You know, torso length, arm proportion, leg proportion, it’s going to look a little bit different. So, for anyone out there, I’d recommend, and you’re wanting to utilize Olympic weightlifting, or you know weightlifting a little bit, I would check out that paper, because it’s really great, because it does talk about, like, these are, The signposts that you need to be at, but [00:24:00] here’s the variation at each of those signposts.

Siobhan Milner: And I’m just curious, I, I wonder if this is one of the papers I’ve read, I don’t know if it came out through the NSCA journal a couple years back, I’m not sure, I’ve read some paper that is It should, 

Angela Sorensen: I believe it’s the NSCA journal. Okay, 

Siobhan Milner: maybe this is the sign 

Angela Sorensen: It should be, because I’m good friends with all of the people who wrote the paper.

 I’m pretty sure it’s the NSCA Journal of Strength and Conditioning. Yeah. 

Siobhan Milner: If it’s the paper I’m thinking of, I haven’t read it for a couple of years or a year or so. I’m just curious if you remember, is it very readable for athletes? Because of course you and I have some training in scientific writing and interpretation.

Whereas sometimes these papers, if you’re someone who maybe doesn’t have that scientific background and you actually want to implement it. You go read it and it’s like reading another language. 

Angela Sorensen: No, no, this, this one’s very accessible. So, like, even with, for S& C coaches who don’t have any sort of research background and might not have taken the traditional route of, like, getting all of these degrees and kind of [00:25:00] understanding a little bit how to read research, it’s super accessible because it’s not a research paper.

It’s written more as, like, a position statement, like, these are the pieces. So, it’s very, it’s written in a very People friendly way. Okay. Yeah, nerd to understand it. 

Siobhan Milner: Awesome. Nice. No, and I’ll definitely put a link to it in the show notes as well. It’s just nice to know if we’re sending athletes that way that they can interpret it as well.

Angela Sorensen: Yeah. And there’s some infographics. I think there might even be photos in that paper, but if not, I know a few people who have done some infographics on it to show. That kind of the, here’s the stable, here’s the variable, and you know, for each of the different kind of positions, so there’s like a start position, at knee, power position it’s, it’s a really thorough but accessible breakdown.

Siobhan Milner: Awesome. If you could give one piece of advice to athletes who are wanting to start either Olympic weightlifting or just strength training in general to support their sport, what would it be? 

Angela Sorensen: Well, [00:26:00] you know, I’m just going to kind of go back and talk about what we did before. Get really good at the basics.

Push, pull, squat, hinge. Get really, really good at those. Make sure your movement is precise and consistent. Consistency is key, but so is that precision of movement. Get really, really good at those and that’s going to set a really great foundation and a really good tone for anything that you layer skill wise in the weight room or in sports.

It’s going to set a really nice foundation for everything that you do after that. So, get good at the basics and keep them in there all the time. Please. Awesome. I love it. 

Siobhan Milner: Anything else that you would like to share? 

Angela Sorensen: No, it’s, it’s been, it’s been a pleasure kind of, you know, hearing other people’s perspectives or what questions other people might have on weightlifting.

So like, I always like sharing what I’ve learned, you know, I’m a big, Big believer in pay it forward in coaching. So if anybody ever wants to reach out with [00:27:00] questions, I’m always happy to share. Like I don’t, I don’t get keep anything. I like to, I like to just pay it forward where possible. 

Siobhan Milner: And where can people find you if they’d like to reach out to you or if they’re interested in working with you?

Angela Sorensen: You can find me on Instagram at beastess athletics or you can find me on Twitter or X, whatever it’s called now. At an A NGE Sorensen, S-O-R-E-N-S-E-N. So feel free to reach out. I love just chatting with people or, you know, like asking questions, answering questions, programming, weightlifting, s and c or, you know, any sort of mentorship opportunities.

I’m, I’m open for it all. 

Siobhan Milner: Awesome. Thank you so much. 

Angela Sorensen: You’re very welcome. Thanks for having me. It’s been a pleasure.